Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/15 16:11Let us say I have Ginnungagap in play and I control it with an Ibis(0/1). My opponent has Star Chart Enterprises in his scrapheap and I use Ginnungagap's ability to bring it into play, selecting my opponent as the target. Now a couple of turns down the road my opponent now controls Ginnungagap, it is his turn and plays a location. Does my opponent gain 1 ISK?
Name: Star Chart Enterprises Cost: 1 ISK Description: When Star Chart Enterprises comes into play, choose an opponent. When that opponent plays a location, you gain ISK(1). If this card goes on the scrapheap from play, you gain ISK(3).
From the Glossary: Opponent: Your enemy players.
We have always assumed that you can not be an opponent to yourself but someone may have a different idea.
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Bulgakov
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/16 08:18Snooby, How? The controller of Star Chart is changed, and now the opponent harvest its benefits.
We have a paradox here.
I think, only owner may use the first power ("When that opponent plays a location, you gain ISK(1)") of this card. Second card's power ("If this card goes on the scrapheap from play, you gain ISK(3).") may be used any controller.
P.S. Waiting errata. Say what you think. Think what you say.
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I would say that no one gets that 1 ISK in this case. Since you cannot be your own opponent, the second part of the ability cannot trigger. It would have to say "When that player plays a location..." for him to get that 1 ISK.
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rorik36
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/16 12:09Bulgakov wrote: I think, only owner may use the first power ("When that opponent plays a location, you gain ISK(1)") of this card. ...
Remember this can be the person who brings it into play also. In my example I was using Ginnungagap to bring it into play (which is the way it normally ends up in a Outer Region in our group).
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The "targeted opponent" certainly doesn't flip. It doesn't say "your opponent".
So, I think that as long as you are "that opponent", "that opponent" doesn't exist.
In a 3-way game, if you (A) play it and target (, then if (C) takes control of it, he would get the ISK when B played a location... But B can never get ISK for his own location.
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* Initially I thought Star Chart Enterprises might set up a delayed triggered ability (that you'd continue to benefit from after losing the location) but that would be worded "whenever that opponent" rather than "When that opponent".
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Description: When Star Chart Enterprises comes into play, choose an opponent. When that opponent plays a location, you gain ISK(1). If this card goes on the scrapheap from play, you gain ISK(3).
1. When Star Chart Enterprises comes into play, choose an opponent.
The player playing the card chooses (one of) their opponent(s).
2. When that opponent plays a location, you gain ISK(1).
Notice the ability says "THAT opponent" - meaning that the chosen player remains the target regardless of who controls the card. If they play a location, they pay the owner.
3. If this card goes on the scrapheap from play, you gain ISK(3).
This is probably the only debatable portion of the card, if taken in isolation; deciding who YOU is. Is it the owner of the card or the controller? Part 2. refers to "you" gaining ISK(1), so it's likely that the "you" in part 3) also refers to the owner.
Post edited by: Snooby, at: 2008/01/18 04:52
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Brootal
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/18 05:27they pay the owner This card never refers to the owner, only "you"
"You" always refers to the controller.
from the rulebook:
"You"
The words ‘you’ and ‘your’ on all cards always refers to its controller. For example, if you have just played an outer region that says “Draw an extra card during your draw phase”, this does not apply to you until you have taken control of the region by warping a ship into it.
This is fairly clear.
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So, if chosen opponent controls the card and plays a location, they get 1 ISK.
I must stop posting at 5-6:00am
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Ryuteki
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/21 01:29I also am with Kempeth's original interpretation. If it said "when that Player plays a location" then You (the new controller and chosen opponent) would gain the ISK whenever You played a location, but it doesn't say that. It says "when that Opponent," and that wording makes it much more difficult to support the gaining of the ISK. In the absence of a statement that "that Opponent" should be read as "that Player", noone gains the ISK if the target opponent gains control of Star Chart Enterprises.-Ryuteki, Owner of the Rules! We're playing Monday evenings in IL, see www.games-plus.com for the address or email me at ryuteki AT gmail DOT com.
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stevetheone
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/21 11:38A good question indeed. From my view point I would say that if you are no longer in control of the region it is in you no longer gain the ISK when an opponent puts a location in play but the sheer fact that the card does not say you need to be in control of it leaves a very wide door open for the counter argument that there is no reason why you should not get the ISK. The orginal player has fulfilled the requirement on the card and so should get the ISK regardless. Controlling it is not stipulation and so can be ignored for that part.We shall seed the stars with our scions and reap that harvest.
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Kempeth
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Re:Star Chart Enterprises - 2008/01/22 07:53The ability can only be used by the controller of the card. Since the ability says "You" it will always be the controller who get's the ISK...
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, then if (C) takes control of it, he would get the ISK when B played a location... But B can never get ISK for his own location.
