Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/28 17:41Lets say that my opponent has only a Guardian sitting at his home base for defense. Does that mean that I would need to wait to get a card to remove his ship from the table or have a card that would force him to withdrawl before I could attack his station? If this is true, the Guardian seems highly overpowered since it cannot be targeted by other ships in any situation.
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CaptnB
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/28 18:19If he only has a Guardian, it is true to think that you can't kill it with your own fleet, Guardian is just invulnerable to direct attack.
But what you seem to be missing is you DON'T have to kill it. Guardian only has an attack power of 1 so it isn't a big threat. You move your fleet there, ignore the Guardian and once the damage dealing step is done, all your remaining ships (probably all) can have a free attack at the opponent's starbase.
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/29 04:15Thanks for the rapid response. We have apparently been playing it wrong this whole time, thinking you had to destroy all enemy ships at the home region before the starbase could be attacked.
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/29 17:43No kidding. It always seems counter-intuitive at first- "What do you mean, I can't stop him from shooting my base? I have ships in the way!". Really, I find the best way to present it as sort of a running battle- the enemy ships are headed for the starbase, and you've got one battle phase to kill them before they get there.
Guardian is still overpowered, though.
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/30 03:00Did I miss something, or don't you need to have a valid target to activate the Guardian's ability? Meaning that if it's alone in a region, it is perfectly vulnerable to normal attack.
Edit: Except that part is actually in a little paragraph of it's own, and not included in the first ability. Hmm.
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/30 04:29HeadWar wrote: Did I miss something, or don't you need to have a valid target to activate the Guardian's ability? Meaning that if it's alone in a region, it is perfectly vulnerable to normal attack.
Edit: Except that part is actually in a little paragraph of it's own, and not included in the first ability. Hmm.
From the Questions & Answers gallery: Yes, the Guardian is nigh invulnerable. It doesn't take any damage at all from ships, except the damage you choose to redirect to it. Damage dealt by cards other than ships is treated normally.-Ryuteki, Owner of the Rules! We're playing Monday evenings in IL, see www.games-plus.com for the address or email me at ryuteki AT gmail DOT com.
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But, as has been noted, more useful as Outer Region defence than as home defence.
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rorik36
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/30 12:14RedX wrote: No kidding. It always seems counter-intuitive at first- "What do you mean, I can't stop him from shooting my base? I have ships in the way!". Really, I find the best way to present it as sort of a running battle- the enemy ships are headed for the starbase, and you've got one battle phase to kill them before they get there.
Guardian is still overpowered, though.
I have always described the size differences between the ships and the starbases. They are like Matchbox Cars next to a Land Rover. How can you miss getting a shot off.
I do like the running battle analogy.
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/08/30 13:43HeadWar wrote: Did I miss something, or don't you need to have a valid target to activate the Guardian's ability? Meaning that if it's alone in a region, it is perfectly vulnerable to normal attack.
Edit: Except that part is actually in a little paragraph of it's own, and not included in the first ability. Hmm.<br><br>Post edited by: HeadWar, at: 2007/08/30 03:03
True, the Guardian has 2 abilities, one that is "executed" for 0 ISK and needs a friendly target, and a 2nd "continuous" one that prevents direct ship damage on it.
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Say I have a Guardian and 4 Apocs at an outer region. The enemy warps in 5 Megathrons and 5 Dominix to attack. Is the Guardian able to "suck up" all damage done to each of those ships (i.e. target each of the Apocs and soak up their damage) or simply target one Apoc? If it can target multiple targets, is it able to suck up damage beyond its shield level for this turn only? I mean, if it's going to blow up this turn, why not suck up ALL damage from the enemy ships to fully save all your Apocs?
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Ryuteki
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Re:Guardian as Home Base Defence? - 2007/09/03 16:09It can suck up all the damage from one "pile". If all this damage in question is being dealt during the damage phase (at the end past targeting phase) than yes, Guardian can suck up all the damage. Why? Because the description of the damage phase says that all damage from targeting is dealt simultaneously.-Ryuteki, Owner of the Rules! We're playing Monday evenings in IL, see www.games-plus.com for the address or email me at ryuteki AT gmail DOT com.
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