Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/14 10:22Blatherskite wrote: If the Herald was on top before the shuffle and it didn't get randomly drawn then we return it to its position after the drawing.
I'm fairly sure that's wrong.
Every other game I've played has shuffling as a deliberate by-product of random selection (or searching a market).
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 01:08How is that different than rolling a die or some other form of complicated random drawing so the Blood Herald maintains its position?Blatherskite Caldari Propagandist
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 01:28If the Herald was on top before the shuffle and it didn't get randomly drawn then we return it to its position after the drawing.
If they officially allow that I will shred my cards, set fire to them and put the (cold) ashes in my cat's litter box. I'm not joking!!
By the way, Sansha's Nation states that your scrapheap should be shuffled after randomly drawing a card from it. Does that help? Probably not
As a side note (at the bottom?!), here are a couple fo quotes from another thread:
Ryuteki Given that your opponent has every right to look through your scrapheap both before and after, and write down every card in your scrap heap, the card you drew is public information.
Tallest Ryuteki is absolutely right. ... You can randomize with the throw of a dice, in which case each player can see which card is returned to hand. Turning the cards in the scrapheap face down and is just a more convenient way of randimizing and takes less time. It does not mean that the contents of the scrapheap become a secret at any point. Since all players are allowed to see the contents of scrapheaps at all times, there is no reason why they shouldn't be shown which card was chosen at random.
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 19:48Well luckily there has not been an official judge sitting at my dinner table while we play cards...we could have been banned for our illicit random drawing from the scrapeheap...
Rest assured whatever official ruling comes forth I will abide by it. Of course that would require some type of official ruling.Blatherskite Caldari Propagandist
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 21:30Blatherskite wrote: Well luckily there has not been an official judge sitting at my dinner table while we play cards...we could have been banned for our illicit random drawing from the scrapeheap...
Rest assured whatever official ruling comes forth I will abide by it. Of course that would require some type of official ruling.
Speaking as one of the GenCon tournament judges, I would rule that you shuffle your scrapheap after using any search/retrieve ability that affects your scrapheap. I would make the same ruling for your deck. The only exception would be an ability that instructs you to place cards back in a set order or position (for instance, Smuggler's Den or Market Research Lab), after which you would NOT shuffle.
This probably does not meet your standards of official, but it's the best that I can personally offer.-Ryuteki, Owner of the Rules! We're playing Monday evenings in IL, see www.games-plus.com for the address or email me at ryuteki AT gmail DOT com.
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 21:50Before things get out of hand I'm just kidding around...I don't even like the Blood Herald. When at a tournament I'm ok with whatever ruling presents itself. Seriously...I don't have any flame retardant gear handy....Blatherskite Caldari Propagandist
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Re:The Scrapheap - 2007/09/15 22:19Blatherskite wrote: Before things get out of hand I'm just kidding around...
I was hoping. I figured I'd just throw that out there so people knew what the likely tournament ruling would be (barring any correction from the higher Powers That Be of course).-Ryuteki, Owner of the Rules! We're playing Monday evenings in IL, see www.games-plus.com for the address or email me at ryuteki AT gmail DOT com.
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