Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/21 06:41I'm still fairly new to the game and ran across this situation:
Blood Templar with Mechanic (+2 shield) vs. 3 ships (2 with attack of 3 and one with attack of 4)
"When Blood Templar would be dealt 3 or less damage by a single source, prevent that damage." led to an argument about the concept of a single source. Is each ship considered a single source? So... neither of the attack 3 ships would do a thing to the Blood Templar?
Does the ability only apply when the attack is from a single ship? (as opposed to a whole fleet trying to destroy it?)
Thanks!
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Kempeth
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/21 09:26The way I understand it yes. If a ship can only dish out 3 damage or less then it can't damage Blood Templar. Another single source would be "Adaster's Disaster" or "Day of Retribution".
I think "source" is still a single card. But any card instead of just ships...
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Brootal
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/21 09:39I agree with that, a single source being a ship, a news card, or any other card. I'd also say that the damage must occur at the same time, a ship that does 2 ambush damage and later does 2 regular damage would have both the ambush damage and the regular damage prevented.
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/21 16:43For 3 ISK this card ends up being incredibly powerful if it is supposed to negate all attacks of (up to) 3. 15 little weak ships would fall to the Blood Templar... I guess the best option is to withdraw everything.
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Brootal
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/21 21:15destroyers are typically nasty to frigate class ships, this is the way of them, all the 3 isk ones are nice, but their drawback is they can take 4 turns to assemble if your opponent chooses not to play a frigate while it is assembling, and could probably play a cruiser with a much quicker assembly during this period. These cards are there to slow the game down a bit until the bigger ships come out
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/26 16:57Brootal wrote: I agree with that, a single source being a ship, a news card, or any other card. I'd also say that the damage must occur at the same time, a ship that does 2 ambush damage and later does 2 regular damage would have both the ambush damage and the regular damage prevented.
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/28 05:18I don't think the original question was answered, simply because the question was ambiguous.
Yes, each ship, card or whathaveyou is considered a single source, but in the case of BT being attacked by 2 or more ships....
Does the ability only apply when the attack is from a single ship? (as opposed to a whole fleet trying to destroy it?)
I would say the answer has to be Yes. An attack by 2 or more ships dealing 4 or more damage in total would hit BT, an attack by a single ship dealing 3 or less damage would not.
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/28 17:57Each ship is counted as an independent source of damage. Even though all damage dealt in the damage step of the battle phase is applied simultaneously, every point of damage is still tracked to a source, thus 2+ ships, each with only an attack power of 2 apiece, still won't damage the Templar. Swarm tactics simply do not work against the Blood Templar (unless you happen to have a swarm of high-end cruisers, of course ).Zack Walters EVE: The Second Genesis Organized Play Coordinator White Wolf | CCP North America
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Snooby
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/30 07:12I have lost all patience with this game. The lack of support, the poor templating and consistently ambiguous card wording have given it the #1 Spot of "What not to do" in my forthcoming CCG Design book.
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Onyx Verde
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/30 15:33Amazing how attitudes change when people aren't winning money from EtSG at Gencon. I seem to remember Snooby wouldnt hear a bad word said about the game just after he'd won oodles of dollars from it, despite the fact that a lot of people had valid gripes. Some individuals even got shouted down and ridiculed for daring to criticise Snooby's latest big money-spinner.
Sure there's problems with the game, with the templating, with the marketing and so on... but if people like the game for what it is (rather than the cash prizes involved) then they'll stick around and try to iron out the problems, something which the game's community are actually able to have an input into here, unlike some other ccg's. So Snooby, it's unfortunate you feel the way you do... especially when everyone else seems to be hanging in there despite myriad adversities. Good luck with the forthcoming "What not to do" book. Be sure to devote a chapter to not throwing loads of cash at big tournaments if all you're gonna get is a couple of here-today-gone-tomorrow fickle blow-ins.
And while it is a real pity to lose someone like Snooby who is very active on the boards and takes part in rules debates, i think this serves as a valuable lesson to CCP/WW : The next time you're having a think about the tourney prize budget, try to focus on the worldwide community as a whole, instead of putting all your eggs into the one Gencon basket. That way you can avoid incidences where folks like Blatherskite and Snooby just take-the-money-and-run, without really giving anything back.============================ "There is always Hope...." - Elessar Telcontar ============================
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/30 17:51I think it most amusing that a while back, I was one of those getting shouted down for exactly the issues he goes off about here
No loss, honestly... I'm pretty sure his accuracy on rules issues is something like 1 for 318.
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Brootal
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/30 21:33Is this rant related to this thread, while I would agree that EVE-CCG does have problems in these areas, I wouldn't class this card as a good example of any of those problems.
But every other CCG I've seen has all those problems as well to some degree or other. They are not easy to overcome, well unless you want a dead simple boring CCG.
This is a CCG, that G stands for game, games are for entertainment purposes, if you don't like the game, don't play. Simple.
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Buhallin
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Re:Blood Templar in battle - 2008/01/30 22:02I don't disagree that there are some serious templating problems in EVE... But anyone with any experience in CCGs can easily point out worse. Honestly, I think the problem in this case is less ambiguous wording than it is disagreement with the particular rulings.
I'm not entirely sure why anyone would have such a major problem with the idea that each ship is a single source of damage, but apparently he did.
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