Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 09:24I was wondering about this thing for some time now.. I'm an administrator for one fan page for EVE Online and am also a great CCG fan. The problem with it is that there are not really any EVE CCG players anywhere near me.
My idea was to somehow introduce the game to the people by implementing an online gaming system for EVE CCG on my page. That would mean that registered members would be able to play EVE CCG on the page.
I have seen that CCP and WW don't really have anything against online gaming (just check the OCTGN link to the left) and was wondering if there would be any consequences for me or the site..
I'm pretty sure that it would, if nothing else, at least familiarize people with the game and possibly make them start playing the real-life thing. Those who are not interested in getting the real cards will not get them anyway be there, or be there no online play.
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Buhallin
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 12:59I asked this question explicitly before I began work on Table Talk, and Zack said it wouldn't be a problem.
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Buhallin
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 19:58TableTalk is theoretically ready for open beta, but it's officially on hold pending some sign of interest from White Wolf in developing this game. I take the release of a product very seriously, and I'm not going to make that commitment to a dead game. I'm already supporting one product for a game I haven't played in almost a year, I'm not taking on another load like that without good reason.
At the moment, all words to the contrary, EVE is dead. Listed for readability:
- We haven't had a news article posted in almost 4 months - The Card Spotlight hasn't been updated in at least 5-6 weeks - We're two weeks past what should have been the release of the next set (if we were on the 6-month schedule) without even a word about it - The CCG hasn't managed the slightest mention in the WWLJ since Exiled released (but the EVE RPG has been managing weekly mentions for the last month or so) - Our only rep (Zack) has averaged one post a week since New Year's, and has now been silent for almost a full month. - V:TES is about to officially cover its second release since Exiled hit.
If WW plans to revive the game, I'd love to hear their plans for it... As it is, all I'm seeing from them is a big middle finger. I'm not going to commit to providing more support for a game than the company making money off it will.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 20:04If EVE CCG is to die then it's up to us to keep it alive - even if it becomes an online only game.. We have to get a committee that will manage new cards and rules..
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Buhallin
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 21:49<shrug> I wish anyone interested in such things the best of luck pursuing them. For my part, I've never thought such efforts work out well, and I'd much rather spend time playing games than designing them.
Plus, honestly, there just isn't enough following for EVE to make it worthwhile. You could include every active poster on this board and not have enough to make a decent committee. Sad, but also pretty darn true.
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vooood
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/17 22:22And would you say that this is cause bade game design or bad marketing? There are a lot of TCG games around and all are quite popular.. mostly
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/19 05:59Bad marketing, hands down. EVE had very solid mechanics, but a lack of attention and activity on WW's part meant the game never really took off. Attempts to fix it were painfully misguided, as they dropped nearly $600 per player chasing big money players at GenCon. Since then, things have been utterly silent.
What do you include in your list of all TCGs that are quite popular? By my experience, CCGs have about a 1 in 10 survival rate, if that. Most, if not all, die within an expansion or two at most. I'd be willing to bet that for each successful one released in the last two or three years, I can name at least two dead ones from the same time period.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/19 23:51Have to agree with Buhallin here, bad marketing hands down, they started off reasonably well, then it all just fell in a heap from what I saw.
While I do think there are some holes in the way the game plays, the basic mechanics are very solid and a good base for what could become a much better game.
As for a committee, I'm sure WW/CCP will hold the rights for the future of the game very tightly, they won't want anyone else taking it and expanding it for nothing. Besides, that route only leads to the demise of the game, community based development like that is nowhere near as tight as would be done by a proper design team, power creep tends to run rampant once the community gets their hands on something.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/20 14:06Even if they are totally busy behind the scenes with whatever, there is a lack of communication about it. I think most of us would be pleased with some updates with what is going on. but if there is nothing going on and therefor nothing to say this would be very sad. It is indeed a great game and one of the very few non-elves/cartoon/manga ones out there. CCP mentioned on several occasions that they are willing to pull through the "slow burn" as with EVE-Online. But atm it looks like the flame is almost dying out It would be a shame if this game goes down the drain. And not just because I invested hundreds of €
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/20 14:19FWIW, I thought the initial marketing was handled decently well. The initial release timing was very poorly chosen, and the dedicated site needed to be up and running far sooner than it was, but despite that the game seemed to launch well.
The real problem with the current situation is that it erodes confidence. Every word from WW is that the game is alive and still going, and they appreciate the long haul. Okay, great! But it certainly doesn't look like it at all. We're given no hints of next expansions or releases, there's not a peep about the game out of WW anywhere but here, and the peeps here are few and far between. News posts mention a new mini-league because the last one was so great, but there's all of 3 locations listing events on the Event page and I haven't seen a single "This is how our league went!" post ever.
To anyone who has been through the death of a CCG before (and I'm sure most of us have) the pattern is frighteningly familiar. Saying the game isn't in a death spiral while maintaining every appearance that it doesn't help anything. Keeping a shroud of secrecy when it's obvious to everyone that you're at least 3 months off the release cycle for the next set CERTAINLY doesn't help anything. The longer this goes on, the greater the disconnect between what WW says and what we see, the greater the damage.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/20 17:54Buhallin wrote: To anyone who has been through the death of a CCG before (and I'm sure most of us have) the pattern is frighteningly familiar.
Good ol' Shadowrun TCG ... really liked it. But they got sued off the market sold my 10 pounds of cards couple of years back. Was a nicely done though.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/26 10:41For me the most disconcerting thing (and the most potent indicator of the game's demise) is the fact that here we all are discussing the many symptoms for the poor state of the CCG and the Community, we're all more or less in concordance that things have died a death - and there's NOTHING to the contrary from Agent Zero, Tallest, Kaemon - in other words the devs cant be arsed to post on their own forums and provide reassurance. It's not like they could have missed the discussion in amongst all the other chat that the boards are getting.
I would love to say that I hope the devs give us a reply and put all our minds at rest, but sadly i reckon it's too late even for that!! The time for talk is long past - we need action from CCP/WW if we are to be convinced that this excellent game is anything other than worm-food at present.============================ "There is always Hope...." - Elessar Telcontar ============================
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/26 17:00Onyx Verde wrote: I would love to say that I hope the devs give us a reply and put all our minds at rest, but sadly i reckon it's too late even for that!! The time for talk is long past - we need action from CCP/WW if we are to be convinced that this excellent game is anything other than worm-food at present.
The devs have already responded and put our minds at rest.
AgentZero wrote: Rest assured that this game will be around for a long while, just like we've always said. CCP stands behind the quality of its games, and has witnessed first-hand the power of the slow burn. A strong community is the key to the success of a game like ours, and despite the doubts of some, I think that is exactly what we have evidence of on these forums. That was on September 6th of last year. Since then we've had:
- 6 articles, the most recent at the end of November (none in the last 4 months) - 5 news items, with the Aug 7th announcement of Exiled's final release date still visible - Two leagues that by all visible indications only one store is actually participating in - A single company rep who is actively being drawn to other promotional activities (Zack has been named/visibly involved in both Exalted and GenCon activities) - And most importantly, NO word on any future expansion
When you're a month past your scheduled release for the next expansion (or what would be the scheduled release on the already-sparse 6 month cycle) and there's no indication of new product, people think the game's dead. It's very hard to believe that WW/CCP will throw money after the game at this point. I certainly wouldn't choose to do so...
When reassurances defy all logic based on what we can see, they're hollow. When reassurances are followed by seven months of deafening silence, future ones become very hard to believe. Actions, as they say, speak louder than words. You want to convince people that your plans for this game involve more than simply hoping everyone forgets about it? Show us something - a new card, new art, the TITLE FOR THE NEXT FREAKING EXPANSION - anything... Please.
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Re:Online Gaming Permissions - 2008/03/28 13:29We won't hear anything until GAMA (April 21-24th). Companies always like to wait until then to give out the big announcements.
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It would be a shame if this game goes down the drain. And not just because I invested hundreds of € 
sold my 10 pounds of cards couple of years back. Was a nicely done though.
